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For the revenue shortage he helped create. >> we're going to have to get back at entitlement reform. how you tackle debt and deficit. health care entitlements are the big drivers. spend more time there, that's where the problem lies fiscally speaking. >> now i'll start with you. sent signals. tax cut was i think probably would have been signed into law by mark rubio or jeb bush, largely doctrinaire republican party wanted. now sending off go after entitlements and social insurance is happening. is that your expectation as well? >> way they've structured this tax bill, something has to get cut....

Cut. framing it as entitlements. but this is the social safety network. what lbj put together, something that's kept poor americans, poor white americans, afloat. way they framed it to constituents is it's these people taking -- >> welfare. >> taking the money from our government. >> it's welfare and color of welfare framed by republicans is black and latino picture but real numbers say that white americans are the primary beneficiary of all the entitlement programs. paul ryan is looking at members of his party, people who vote religiously with the republican party saying i'm going to take awa...

Because reporters don't like the president. i got to say that does not bother me. i think you're allowed to have distaste for someone. he doesn't like them. they don't like him. fine. what it crosses the line from news coverage into propaganda and dishonesty is when you distort questions of policy. that's what they're doing heart. rather than unpack and say what is the white house asking for? what is at stake here? i want to know. instead, they're framing it, putting the thumb on the scale framing it as a contest between good and evil. it's not that. all policy debates, this is very complex an...

Democrats are framing it, you heard in that clip, as pitting people against each other. which is a different way of opposing that law than saying this is not something that should happen. so i think -- democrats have a sort of p.r. message they want to put out about this bill, and frankly, republicans are making it very easy for them to do that, and i think if they really had a full discussion about this, they may have a better shot of convicting some of these moderates. especially in those trump districts that they might have to take a second look at a bill like that. >> smart, coherent polit...

Framing? >> absolutely. and you know, it occurred as we were watching this, as wonderful a tactician as mitch mcconnell is, maybe not the best communicator. you know, historically when you have a piece of legislation that comes out, is born out of negotiations, even in your own party, you have a press conference, and you lay down the markers. this is what it is, and this is why it's good. >> talking points -- >> and you have talking points. that hasn't happened. there's a big vacuum. and democrats are rushing to fill it. >> and where are the republican interest groups? they don't want the prsi...