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Robinson, a columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst and horace cooper, co-chairman of project 21, the national leadership network of black conservatives. horace, i want to start with you on this decision. why should a majority in this state who presumably are not minorities be be able to decide, we no longer want to assist raushl minorities who have suffered past discrimination. why should they be able to do that? >> luptly the question is a framing problem. it's not the case that a decision was made. in fact, when the referendum itly passed, there were blacks, browns, ...

Public debate. in other words, the majority of the voters in michigan should decide whether or not affirmative action is right for that states. seven other states ban affirmative action, including california and florida. today's ruling could embolden more states to do the same. and for more on this heated case, i'm joaned by eugene robinson, a columnist for t"the washington post" and msnbc political analyst and horace cooper, co-chairman of project 21, the national leadership network of black conservatives. horace, i want to start with you on this decision. why should a majority in this state ...

Tax on everybody and that's biting more than it should. >> at what point, at what point do the democrats learn that? the manner in which they have a really serious framing problem that consistently have that and it's allowing the republicans to get away without just really articulating what should be dismissed -- >> i think you're wrong this week because what ended up happening was the story of the week was obama care a tax, mitt romney is flip-flopping on the tax. so, i think that actually from just purely political perspeckive they played that pretty well. more on that after this break. mayb...