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Going to be around you, they'll eat you alive. >> like surf boards or jet skis or snowmobiles, gravity cars are location dependent, so we're off in search of a hill ideally in the middle of nowhere. along the way fred and i had a great discussion. we discussed the unintended consequences of eliminating risk from the human experience. unfortunately, fran's deeply troubled muffler made much of our salient points unusable, and that's a shame because the conversation really was fascinating. right here, for instance, we're discussing the nuances of homeostatic risk, a controversial idea that says w...

Something they bonded over years ago. a need for speed. >> this is us. >> tell me what i'm looking at here. >> it's a formula atlantic car. >> what's that mean? that's 200 miles an hour. >> 224 at pocono. >> which one's you? >> red car. >> that's you, fred, over here? >> yes, sir. >> and you're over 200 miles an hour right here. fran and fred became fast friends many moons ago on the circuit known as formula atlantic racing, a sport with all the gear of formula 1 but not so much of the glamour. >> we'd rather be doing this, but we ran out of money. >> i think the thing about racing, whether it...

Between competitiveness and self-preservation. i'm going over 50 miles an hour right now in a glorified tin can. trying to make my way through a field of fellow nut jobs with two very different voices in my head. >> we never, ever want to touch the brakes. all these other guys that are going to be around you, they'll eat you alive. >> you're going to get a lot of confidence. just take it easy. >> right now, the fran side is winning. i'm downright allergic to that brake. but then -- >> he's going to lose it. >> -- there's trouble in front