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On october 18th of this year you said under oath in front of the senate judiciary committee a continuing exchange of information between trump surrogates and intermediaries with the russian government did not happen, at least not to my knowledge and not with me. senator frank en asked you don't believe surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians? you responded i did not and not aware of anyone else that did. we now know that one, the campaign had communications with the russians. through mr. papadopoulos and others and you seem to be aware of the fact at the time. l...

Happened and whether anyone inside the trump campaign assisted the russian effort. >> i conducted no improper discussions with russians at any time number one. no, you had a long time, senator frank en. i would like to respond. i don't have to sit here and listen to his -- >> you're the one who testified -- >> without having a chance to respond. >> sandra: let's bring in doug schoen and fox news contributor and ed ryan, founder of american majority and former writer for george w. bush. we were live on "outnumbered". it got uncomfortable. heated exchanges yesterday. >> the democrats come dredgi...

Also have their staff asking questions. so it can be more direct. >> yes, and you also have the opportunity, as the senator has said, to bring them back in a public session and you can issue a subpoena, but also donald trump has been talking about a witch-hunt. it seems to me that one of the things that the investigators in the house and the senate want to do is make sure that there is nothing that even could be interpreted as a witch-hunt. >> not make it a speck tackal? >> well, first find out what these people have to say. find out what evidence they have. ask them are they going to be forth...

Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator frank en, ien, i'm n aware of any of those activities. i've been called a surrogate a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communication was the russians. >> he said he didn't have communications with the russians. then when asked in a written question whether he had been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after the election day, sessions responded no. now listen to what he said when he recused himself from the russia probe bac...

Will you do? >> senator frank en, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. >> cnn's paul keller joins us from new york. good to see you. >> nice to be with you, john. >> looking on its own, if nothing else was going on, no other investigations, no allegation also of the russian allegations, how serious is an omission like this on a security clearance application form in and of itself? >> well, for an ordinary human being working for the federal government i think it would be a...