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Negotiate with, who knew what they wanted and went for it. lyndon johnson comes to mind. >> yeah. >> certainly he had that reputation in congress. i think that once he became president, one of the things that was impressive about his presidency, despite all of the, i think, proper criticism he took over the vietnam war, was that he saw the presidency as a place where you could actually get something done, where it was the time to step forward. even if you were doing something that was against maybe a stance you had had for many, many years as a congressman, and that certainly was true in the c...

Lyndon johnson comes to mind. >> yeah. >> certainly he had that reputation in congress. i think that once he became president, one of the things that was impressive about his presidency despite all of the, i think, proper criticism he took over the vietnam war, was that he saw the presidency as a place where you could actually get something done, where it was the time to step forward. even if you were doing something that was against maybe a stance you had had for many many years as a congressman, and that certainly was true in the case of civil rights. that he decided that passing those three...