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Ability to have full access to full range over policies within the white house. so all of this is kind of coming, you know, to a head. and it will be very interesting to see how john kelly handles this issue. the president is essentially punting to john kelly on this one, giving him the wherewithall to make the leeway. at the same time, we heard the president speak so highly of jared kushner. it's hard to imagine that john kelly would create a situation in which jared kushner would be forced to leave. >> frank, one interesting aspect of this is that this conversation between rod rosenstein and...

Of the collusion question. >> frank, what is your sense of what paul manafort's real relationship is here to the russians? you worked in counter intelligence, how is that angle playing into the mueller probe? >> kasie, when you look at the profile of manafort and look how far back mueller is going in these charges. we have seen reference to 2006. so this is somebody in manafort who has been joined at the hip with russian and ukrainian and pro-russian/ukrainian interested for years and years. and you don't lie down with these people without getting bitten and without being guilty of association...

Was some back and forth in recent days about whether gates was going to plea. there were stories about maybe he was firing his lawyer. and it seemed like it was a close call. at the end of the day, this may have been one of the things to push him over the edge, because this was a clear-cut case. they had him dead to rights on the lie and now he's pleading. i want to go back to how frank says this seems like something out of a mafia movie, "the sopran sopranos." robert mueller is approaching this like he's prosecuting the gambino crime family. he did prosecute the gambino crime family back in t...

We're up to four cooperators. mueller is picking up the pace, it is very clear here, and i wouldn't be surprised to see other charges drop in the next few months. i mean, we still haven't heard what happened with the hacking. there are russians who hacked and violated american law. those people potentially could be charged. and they may have had help from americans. so i think we'll see a lot of action in the next few months on this, kasie. >> we'll be watching all of it. ken, jennifer, frank, thank you all very much. coming up, president trump says he'll leave the issue of jared kushner's s...

For the associated press, my former colleague, and frank is back with us. frank, thank you for sticking with us. i'm going to start with you because you have an understanding of behind the scenes of how the processes unfold. can you just kind of explain why, how unusual is it for a clearance to take this long? >> despite some white house assertions to the contrary, this is unusual. it is way too long and there are issues. when the attorney general picks up the phone and calls the white house and tells you there are issues, it's going to take longer. then isn't because jared kushner's neighbor ...