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Part of soccer, which means you get to choose -- you can have a different country of birth and country that you currently live in and that is often a fraud choice, which one to choose. and once you choose, you are kind of locked in their. again, that has such a parallel to the immigrant experience. >> absolutely. and i think for a very long time, messi has been trapped in this choice. right? i mean, he is playing for spain, for barcelona, which is a local football club. and then he keeps going back to argentina. and he does not do well with argentina for many, many years. most of his career, a...

You left argentina the same year as messi. how does your story inform the way you approached his? >> you know, i was really fascinated by messi's as an immigrant. we always hear about messi as this guy who made a big in europe. the goat. one of the best players in the world. and i always saw his story as an immigration story. i left argentina a few months after he left. and for the same reasons. the country, by the time i left, had already had one of its worst political collapses. we had a historic economic collapse. when i left it was hovering around 23% unemployment. and that is kind of the ...