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I'm probably a pure witness. but if i'm there and if i see that happening, i'm probably not going to be quiet. i'm probably going to be giving some advice in the context of it. so it really is going to depend. >> doesn't it seem like the president puts out this idea that there's an umbrella, you were my guy, everything we ever discussed, off the table. >> that is the idea that comes out, but it's not something that is absolute. it's certainly not that much of an umbrella, to your point. there is one other exception to the crime, fraud exception. if you were my attorney, i can't say to you, hey...

The president has this power to provide pardons but it's a political check where you think of the pardon by president clinton. people can protest. you say it on the qt. no one ever know the idea is a quid pro quo. down the line. and it is a potential obstruction of justice if that's in his mind. doesn't matter howmany lawyers are in the link. the crime, fraud exception would kick in. this would be part of a conspiracy to obstruct and costello and giuliani are going to have to answer undepositions about the exact nature of the communication. >> this is also from the "times." last april mr. cost...

And she did that in the range of what is normal for that kind of a crime. and she made it partly consecutive and partly concurrent. she actually sentenced thum 73 months but 30 of it was to be concurrent with his other incidence. so it seemed like a fair deal. but rich people do things differently and this certainly does show erich people get sentenced differently it was a really bad daw for rich people. the parents of all those kids, the rich people, that was bad. >> it's been a krauz ea news cycle on that front. white collar krum unamerica. so we're at this strange situation. this guy now ha...

No one ever know the idea is a quid pro quo. down the line. and it is a potential obstruction of justice if that's in his mind. doesn't matter howmany lawyers are in the link. the crime, fraud exception would kick in. this would be part of a conspiracy to obstruct and costello and giuliani are going to have to answer undepositions about the exact nature of the communication. >> this is also from the "times." last april mr. costello said in an interview that he, ecohen asked if there was a pardon on the table. who's making the offer first, even though they're clearly sniffb each other out? >> i...

She had a sentence for what he's charged with in her court. and she did that in the range of what is normal for that kind of a crime. and she made it partly consecutive and partly concurrent. she actually sentenced thum 73 months but 30 of it was to be concurrent with his other incidence. so it seemed like a fair deal. but rich people do things differently and this certainly does show erich people get sentenced differently it was a really bad daw for rich people. the parents of all those kids, the rich people, that was bad. >> it's been a krauz ea news cycle on that front. white collar krum un...