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Saying, no, no, no attorney/client privilege, because we think there is a crime/fraud exemption, in english, that means, no, baby, you've got a problem. and we think your lawyer has evidence of you potentially committing a crime. and you have a judge saying that. you have an appeals court saying, yes. and actually rushing that to happen. so, i just want to say that, it's very hard to imagine, and these mean two things. so you indictment, just want to separate these. indictment means he's going to face a jury. >> okay. >> whether he's arrested is a little bit different, because there would have...

Bragg case? and i think lawrence o'donnell had the best answer for that, which is, had he not gotten away with that crime, if he hadn't committed that crime, he wouldn't have been president, and we could have all been spared everything else that has followed. that makes it maybe one of the most important of the crimes he's committed. >> so, maya, to think that we were basically hush money from an adult film star away from four of the worst years of my life and most of the world's life politically, it does sort of add weight to a case that otherwise a lot of people would say, oh, well, this is ...

Abuse. and there are limits to the first amendment. >> absolutely. there's a fraud exemption already built into the constitution. beyond that, congress in 2006 said the protection is not enough. we need to protect them out to get their honour. >> this is fraud, is it not? lying about your military service. >> and getting benefits for it. >> even worse a politician lying about it. >> no, it's not fraud necessarily and if you commit a fraud and tell a lie, that's already a crime. we don't need a law for this. what this law does and what's dangerous about this is that it makes lying a crime. >> a...