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Truth of about this guy, even if we don't understand how this fits into the larger story about maria butina and the russia investigation. do you feel you have any brighter window or any clearer window into how this fraud stuff may or may not relate to his relationship with butina and the larger case that she's involved with? >> well, i think the relation is that as i said, this has been his m.o. it just led him -- he'd been doing this, as it says in the indictment, at least all the way back to 1996 allegedly. as he went from one thing to another, eventually he met up with maria butina, and tha...

Window into how this fraud stuff may or may not relate to his relationship with butina and the larger case that she's involved with? >> well, i think the relation is just that, you know, as i said, this has been his m.o. it just led him -- he'd been doing this, as it says in the indictment, at least all the way back to 1996 allegedly. as he went from one thing to another, eventually he met up with maria butina, and that was i think from what we know so far he got involved in just sort of another scheme with her, allegedly. this time he bit off a little more than he could chew, perhaps, compare...

Vetted by the senate, just installed by the president, you sure that's legal? you sure he's the acting attorney general? so there's the fraud stuff, like oh that looks bad. and it's an fbi investigation. and the democrats are like, you know, we're going at you on that hammer and tongs, you ready? plus there's the lawsuits about whether or not the attorney general and everything he does as attorney general will be annulled and erased and all the chaos that will bring. we've already seen three of those lawsuits. we may be about to see thousands of those lawsuits. and now the top democrat on inte...

Before he gets rid of someone. i think with all this fraud stuff coming out, i don't think that whitaker will be around long. but a whole parade of horribles about who might be next. >> donald trump didn't know him. rick scott was like, i had no idea, medicare fraud? what? >> the supreme court has said when the president appoints an invalid appointee all the things he does are invalid. if this guy, if whitaker tries to fire mueller, mueller has standing to sue and say that -- >> a senator could sue under the appointments clause. >> the supreme court is in the hand of the guy who said i went to...

Settling the fraud cases against him and his businesses before the inauguration, i think a lot of people assumed that was a signal the trump family would give up their various personal lawsuits now that they were ascending to the white house. that may be the stuff about fraud stuff, but that is not the case when it comes to media stuff. that is not the case when it comes to this very aggressive case filed by the first lady against this newspaper and this blog. not only did she not drop it after the election, but it appears to be pedal to the medal. but the blogger and the newspaper retracted t...