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Promised? the arrogance, the paternalism, the con descension to the american people is just breath-taking. >> the house budget committee started the process today with the bill. looking at the senate health care bill. and they are not talking about the language of what the bill will look like or the price tag yet. but they are moving it forward. here is where we are on the head count in the house, what we call the whip count. so far we have five democrats who have now changed their votes from yes to no. this is the same tally. we haven't seen it move one way or the other. it's still five votes...

>> bret: fred, they are not talking about the specific deals pulled out yet at least on capitol hill. and if you are a florida democrat, and one of the things on the table is this gatorade, are you going to say pull it out? >> well, you might. i mean, i mean, you are going to want it in there. and, remember john mccain at the white house summit on health care made a special protest about that. in florida, you could keep it. you could keep on medicare advantage, which has some additional benefits. but in arizona, his state, what did he say there were 300,000 people on medicare advantage and the...

>> exactly right. i mean, it's not only dennis kucinich. there are about five people like jason at myer of pennsylvania. john buoyer is are a also of ohio. the president was in kucinich's district today next door. people who voted against it and on the edge. as you saw, the president even had the audience hectoring dennis kucinich today saying vote yes, vote yes. we need that vote. so what you get here is a situation. you have got also people who are retiring. you think about brian beard in washington state. bart gordon of tennessee. they are saying you guys are retiring. of the consequence fo...

>> bret: fred, they are not talking about the specific deals pulled out yet at least on capitol hill. and if you are a florida democrat, and one of the things on the table is this gatorade, are you going to say pull it out? >> well, you might. i mean, i mean, you are going to want it in there. and, remember john mccain at the white house summit on health care made a special protest about that. in florida, you could keep it. you could keep on medicare advantage, which has some additional benefits. but in arizona, his state, what did he say there were 300,000 people on medicare advantage and the...

Public option? >> exactly right. i mean, it's not only dennis kucinich. there are about five people like jason at myer of pennsylvania. john buoyer is are a also of ohio. the president was in kucinich's district today next door. people who voted against it and on the edge. as you saw, the president even had the audience hectoring dennis kucinich today saying vote yes, vote yes. we need that vote. so what you get here is a situation. you have got also people who are retiring. you think about brian beard in washington state. bart gordon of tennessee. they are saying you guys are retiring. of the...