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>> when you make a mistake, a tactical mistake, you get punished, sent to the wood chair. >> what's more of a tactical mistake? being gay? >> no, i'd like to know. >> you are such a team player. let me go to fred who is not a team player. here we're getting to a fundamental point. i've worked in politics since 1971, longer than this guy's been involved in it. i've got to tell you, i've always known there were gay people working at high levels in the republican party. from the top, it's a known fact in both parties, it's part of the world we live in in politics and journalism and everywhere els...

Gay man -- >> yes, sir. >> we also have with us fred carger. he's on six ballots, making a point. we'll get to you. i know this guy, i don't know you. mark, look, i am -- i study politics. but common sense tells you that mitt romney is b.s.'ing us there. he could've simply said two days ago, don't quit, i need you, buddy. i need you. don't listen to these guys around you. i need you. don't listen to the right-wing guy on the radio, i need you. instead, he lets his staffers call up the guy right before a big briefing which richard grenell, the guy who left this campaign actually set up and said...

Standby platform of electoral strength on social issues, the republicans are becoming split. time has passed. the river has rise n, today not all republicans, not even all really conservative republicans are on board. if you are a republican in 2012, yeah you can use gay rights as a way to hit democrat, when do you that you are hitting dick cheney. joining us now for the interview is republican candidate fred carger, first openly gay candidate for the office of the president. he has had a tough time but stuck it out thus far, thank you very much for being here, nice to see you again. >> thank ...

Republicans are becoming split. time has passed. the river has risen, today not all republicans, not even all really, really conservative republicans are on board with the whole god, guns and gays agenda. if you are a republican in 2012, yeah you can use gay rights as a way to hit are also hitting dick cheney. joining us now for the interview is republican candidate fred carger, first openly gay candidate for the office of the president. he has had a tough time but stuck it out thus far, thank you very much for being here, nice to see you again. >> thank you, rachel, great to be on your show. ...