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Say the answer is likely no. what's your answer, fred? well, is defined by the convention, which i think passed in the 1920s and it constitutes a systematic effort to annihilate people. and i think clearly that's what's going on in ukraine. i don't know why the bush administration doesn't just go out and say that they think that's what's going on . i don't think we need lawyers to tell what we're seeing in ukraine amounts to. >> yeah, the pictures are pretty evident. >> fred pleitgen, great to have you on . thank you , sir. good to be here. >> well, as russian forces retreating from retreating...

Don't vote yes, they're going to hold them accountable. but i mean, there really are powerful forces here to prevent this type of thing from being taken. bear in mind this committee is usually used to condemn the united states and israel for human rights violations. it's a backward committee and i mean, it would be great if russia was kicked off. it has no business being there after the atrocities we've seen in ukraine. but it would be quite a major change at the united nations for us to do that . but you talk talk to a lot of analysts, fred, and they say these are symbolic gestures kicking ru...

Kicking russia off the human rights commission or council. but look, we've had rogue states with bad human rights records on the committees for a long time. vote to kick russia off will be opposed by the majority of states with bad human rights records and we're going to kick russia off. we should kick china off iran, cuba and all these states know that . so i don't think as though it's going to go anywhere. it's interesting to me that russia sent a threatening note to some of the un member countries and it reads as follows here, fred. and i'll get your take after this . it says quoting it is ...

Also stirring anger about russia's seat on the un human rights council. watch. russia should not have a position of authority in a body whose purpose is very purpose is to promote respect for human rights. not only is this the height of hypocrisy, it is dangerous. >> thursday will decide russia's future on the council. joining us now, fred flyte is vice chair of the center for american security at afps. he is also former chief of staff at the national security council. fred, it's always great to have you on . you heard the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., linda thomas greenfield. she appears to ha...