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>> reporter: so uncle john places a call to el cubano. >> hey, uh, frank? >> yes. >> frank, hey. hey, my name's john. >> reporter: now to set the trap. he'd say nick needs money for a lawyer. >> he seems to think you or fred will help out. he didn't want a [ bleep ] public defender. >> okay. >> reporter: frank tells uncle john he knows nick, but -- >> he's more of an acquaintance. i don't, you know, i really don't have money to help him out. >> reporter: at first frank doesn't seem to take the bait. >> yeah, if i can help him in any way i -- understand, i would but -- >> uh huh. >> i'm sorry. ...

If he had known that. >> part of the risk. >> it was like watching two old married couple arguing back and forth about whose fault it was that the, you know, dinner was cold or something. >> reporter: but of course, this argument was deadly serious. >> you have to understand, we need to [ bleep ] erase this problem. this is your problem, okay? you have to understand. listen to me. >> no. >> listen. >> no, it's not my problem. it's our problem, isn't it? >> i would have to say it's more your problem. >> reporter: fred was still very suspicious of frank and asked a few more times if he was wired...

You wanna make sure he's -- >> and what is he -- >> --not gonna say anything. >> and what does he have to trade? >> reporter: first, detective nelson decided, he'd go for broke. by phoning fred schockner himself and claiming to be the hired killer, nick harvey. >> so, how did you go about doing this? >> i went to county jail and i used one of their inmate phones, 'cause i wanted the prerecording that says, "you're receiving a call from a california penal institution," blah, blah, blah. >> and he hung up on me i think the first time. there's a pause there where they ask you if you're willing to...

As investigators meet to move, news would travel to fred's family. fred's famison was about to rec an ultimate blow after his mother was killed. his father may have been the one responsible. >> you have to understand, i'm a 29-year-old man, fred. >> reporter: before he got mixed up with fred schockner, frank jaramillo, aka el cubano, had so many possibilities. he'd just recently married a wonderful woman, a school teacher, who had no idea what her husband had done or what he was facing. >> there's nothing that's going to happen if we both maintain our cool. >> reporter: but it was too late for...

Detectives had engineered a face-to-face meeting between the murder middleman frank jaramillo and the suspected mastermind, lynn schockner's husband, fred. this is where frank would attempt to get fred to say something to incriminate himself. except fred was late. had he finally realized they were laying a trap? nothing. if he didn't show this could all fall apart. then a signal from the surveillance van. there he was. >> the guys outside saw him kind of casing the place to make sure he wasn't being -- he was already really paranoid about being setup. >> reporter: clearly. >> came in with his ...