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Now he's out of the race of the doesn't that have something to do with it? >> i think this is political. i think this case is totally politically motivated, whether or not he sued, what the states were, i think this is all something having to do with politics probably better dealt with in the political arena instead of in a civil lawsuit. >> you know what, they say politics makes strange bedfellows. the bottom line the sheriff, i think his actions were out of line and arguably defamtory. and he did it for political purposes as well. the pox on both their homes. jon: fred tecce, ashley thank yo...

Happened to her husband is not to call her mama, not to call her daddy. not to call rusty. not to call rusty's daddy. it is to call her sexual a hasser. really? jon: ashley merchant is a criminal defense attorney. fred tecce, a former federal prosecutor. it's an interesting case. basically was charged with lying in this case, with perjury. authorities originally wanted to bring charges against her in the murder case apparently fred, they just didn't have the evidence. >> no, no. jon: the prosecutor there was trying to make the point that for instance, the day after this guy was picked up for t...

Mob hit or something, and i guess we can only speculate, and that probably doesn't do anybody any good until the cause of death is officially announced. but the fact is this guy was on the witness list and then was told, no, we don't need your testimony. >> i was a fellow prosecutor, but i wasn't a doctor. i can tell you people who testify against the mob suffer from lead poisoning and the other was a disease which means they had more holes in them than they were supposeed to. they don't know why they died. so this guy, bulger's, either the most unlucky guy in the world or there are still memb...

His business, basically stole his, extorted his liquor store out from under him so that whitey bulger could use it as a money laundering operation. >> right. and fred's right. this could be some sour folks from his group that still have something against this guy and just want to send a message that if you're a rat, this is what's going to happen to you. i think it might be something where someone has something against whitey bulger and they're trying to make it look like he's still in the business. jon: speaking of rats, there was quite an exchange in the courtroom yesterday, fred, where his ...

Option they could reach a deal that spares taxpayers the expense of another trial by taking the death sentence off the table. what is the most likely outcome in the pursuit of justice, fred tecce is a former presented ra federal prosecutor. and ashley is also with us. you said the judge should grant the defense's request, why? >> you have to think about the attorneys they have given their life over to the case for the last six months. their practices are probably in shambles, they have families they need to go back with. in death penalty cases, they are all consuming. the fact they want a six-...