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>> reporter: she has a masters of divinity from princeton cemetery. >> what do you make? >> i believe yes. he needs motivation. and if i wasn't here or anybody here pushing him, then i think that he would be a lot more nervous, and i think he would probably choke. >> reporter: has he choked before? >> yes. >> reporter: they met a year before when fred auditioned for a church program. why do you think they belief in you so much? >> i think god definitely has to play a part. like he didn't bring us together for mo reason. for every little piece to the puzzle creates a picture. >> yes, lord, we h...