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More news, some of his closest aides are already in the city of jirdah, on the border of tunisia. i think that's a prelude to a lot of these defections. >> kousa, the head of the intelligence service that targeted all sorts of dissidents, domestically in libya and externally. were you ever on the list? >> yes, and he was responsible for the list. what an irony. >> will you welcome him to the provisional government if he calls and says he wants to switch sides? >> not in the provisional government. not close. we welcome the fact that he has said that he's not supporting the regime, and that's t...

Terrorism hat, and he's being a good guy hat. and he was the go-to person for all diplomatic relations with -- with libya. >> that's just what burns me, you know. i guess -- i don't understand the way -- that's why i'd never make a politician. it just drives me crazy when i'm watching tv and i see this guy just strolling around, and everybody's greeting him like this big man. and you know, he's a confessed murderer. he is intimately involved in the killing of almost 200 americans. and now this is what i hear. the hear the back channel sources saying that he helped the u.s. on counterterrorism....

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To recognize the opposition council as libya's legitimate government and to bring france's military power to bear against gadhafi. sarkozy listened which paved the way for the international military response to gadhafi's aggression. who is that one man? bernard henri levconvenient, thorks journalist, philosopher in france where he's known by his initials dhl, he joins us, thank you for being here. tell us the story. you were actually in benghazi, why were you there, and how did this citizens of events occur? >> yes, i was in benghazi because as often in my life i wanted to see things myself wi...

Our side, right? from mr. lafayette, from france. this is not unheard of. revolutionary wars, you get assistance. >> absolutely. and the arabs know this story. they know the american story. they know the french history. they know how when we did our revolution, we exported the values of our revolution. and -- >> our revolution came first but that's okay. >> yours was -- >> we'll talk about that the other day. >> a stem cell of the revolution. >> what would happen if western troops went into sflibz th-- in libya? that would be a problem. >> i don't think nobody wishes that because it would turn...