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Vladimir putin that his aggression against democracy will not stand, even though the last person who was in the white house did nothing but coddle him and tell him that he was his best friend and he understands him, and even today you have that same leader, donald trump, giving vladimir putin kudos and telling him that he's brilliant. that is what we do not want in a party, that is what we do not want in a leader and that's what republicans are offering. >> always appreciate a healthy debate between the two of you. unfortunately, that's all the time we have. but i'm sure we'll get to do it aga...

The ground. >> and we will be watching that, because there does seem to be some amping up from russia this morning, based on what we're hearing from border reporters there. you wrote, also, in the article, thoroughly laying out the timeline of putin's attacks, chechnya, crimea. comparatively, was this attack on ukraine, do you think -- even though they're amping up today, some sort of miscalculation on putin's part, not only in the gauge of how determined ukraine would be to fight back, but in how the world would turn on russia? >> i think it is quite possible that putin has miscalculated, tha...

Ukraine in 2014, his invasion of georgia in 2015. none of those have created the kind of blowback that he's seeing in ukraine. he has never faced a military as large or as modern as the ukrainian army, and he also, i don't think, expected that the entire people of ukraine would rise up against them, because i think there is a tendency for a dictator like putin, who has been on the throne for 20 years, to be very isolated and start drinking his own kool-aid, and perhaps he imagined that the people of ukraine would welcome russian troops as liberators from the neo-nazis and drug addicts. this is...

Well, austria, australia, germany. but you wrote part of an op-ed this week, you wrote this. i'm impatient with both those who insist that vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine is a stroke of genius and those who insist it is a historic blunder. the truth is, we don't know which it will be. that will depend on what the people of ukraine and the nations of the west do to resist the war of aggression. as nic was pointing out, we know what they've done with sanctions, but has the world's reaction to this, up to this point, surprised you as we're in day four of this conflict? i want you to, if you ...