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I have with the obamas, and i know way more about what's happening in the trump white house than i ever knew in the entire eight years that the obamas were in office. what does that tell you? >> that there's a lot more to talk about. >> and a lot more leaks. >> the place leaks like a sieve. again, people will be watching us as they are wont to do, and they will say, man, these two, they just go over the president. but it's true. we were also just talking about criminal justice reform, and that's a positive thing, because it is true. but this is the different metric and people have to own this ...

People who know the trumps than i have with the obamas, and i know way more about what's happening in the trump white house than i ever knew in the entire eight years that the obamas were in office. what does that tell you? >> that there's a lot more to talk about. >> and a lot more leaks. >> the place leaks like a sieve. again, people will be watching us as they are wont to do, and they will say, man, these two, they just go over the president. but it's true. we were also just talking about criminal justice reform, and that's a positive thing, because it is true. but this is the different met...

Mistake by not preempting, in effect, the defense by calling trayvon martin's father in to testify on behalf of the state? >> no, not at all. and i love jose. jose and i are friends off camera and he knows that but he's dead wrong on this one. i mean, the prosecution called sybrina fulton, trayvon's mother and also called his brother, really eloquent, elegant young man, put him right on the witness stand, in my view almost putting trayvon martin up on the witness stand. so that worked very, very well. the government always knew that this was an issue with tracy martin, that initially he said e...

No question. >> we'll get together. >> shepard: after television we'll never see each other again. >> that's nice. i'd be friends off camera. >> but i'll hide on an island and if you can get there you can visit. >> okay. >> say hello to the soup lady, i will. see you later. >> we do know who reese witherspoon is. have you seen this? listen to this. >> mam, what tide i tell you to do? >> i'd >> shepard: have you heard this? listen. sometimes we build up teases because we want you to -- i need you to hear this, this is manna from heaven. stay tuned. you have five minutes. it will be time well sp...