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Fringe elements, people like george soros are staple far-right thoroueorizing. it's people who president trump talks about constantly at his rallies. is it possible that there's some kind of a false flag operation here? again, without knowing who the person was that did this, i don't think we can rule out anything. but a much more reasonable and a much more plausible suggestion of potential motive here is the more straightforward one which is this is an attempt by someone out there who having dwelled in the atmosphere of president trump's excitement over the last two years that someone has dec...

The conservative movement, it started in the 1950s as an intellectual movement and an intelectal legs to a movement -- >> somehow that going. >> redevolved into a react, okay? you see sort of a gathering of people who represent really fringe elements of what used to be what i think was a really great political movement and moment in american history. i just want to say, look, wayne lapierre has -- has spoken insensitively, harshly. >> for decades. >> embraced fringe elements of some of these arguments, but he also makes points that resonate with a lot of americans, a lot of gun owners and peop...

For your time tonight. i understand we have to let you go now. i want to go to john because we do have now nbc news confirmation of the reports we saw about sebastian gorka resigned. we assume he was pushed out. and this appears to be part of a larger effort that's been undertaken by h.r. mcmaster, and it appears john kelly to sort of exile and push out some of the more fringe elements who have been brought in particularly the national security infrastructure of the white house. is that how you read it? >> i do, chris. i sat in the situation room in what they call deputy and principals meeting...

I'm not just talking about the president's comments about it, or lack of comments about it, but just about the fact that there is, you know, there was a torch-lit march of hundreds of what appeared to be young american men chanting, jews will not replace us, and other, you know, literally nazi slogans. and the response to it. >> so, most of the countries in the world that we care about also have those fringe elements. so i think they recognize that. more importantly, i think they're looking more broadly at the response of our government and society. intelligence folks, anderson, respond to the...

Better about the decision-making process, the experience, the appreciation for both history and consequences, that you'd expect a president to have. >> as someone who worked in intelligence throughout their entire career, and has studied the unraveling of government, the unraveling of societies, how countries fall apart, how they rebuild, i'm wondering what was going through your mind in the last week and a half or so in the wake of charlottesville? i'm not just talking about the president's comments about it, or lack of comments about it, but just about the fact that there is, you know, there...