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Not over, who don't allow it to become be done and over, also know that democracy needs friends right now. and this country we had the extraordinary event on memorial day of hearing the american president refer to our democracy as being in peril. professor, we deal with this topic every day. but it's like the frog boiling experiment. it's not being treated as an emergency. it's kind of a ruling benign event. should it be treated as an emergency? >> it should be treated as a constant challenge. these two segments are connected. look at mr. putin, we think about the assassination of people like ...

>> what does that mean? what's the practical impact? >> the practical impact is he is now one step ahead of what every player in this game is doing. and he can actually, through his own intermediaries, through spies that he has in the ukraine, through his allies in the russian ole garky and the ukrainian cole gole garky, they actually steer donald trump in the direction that russia wants him to go and can actually craft his counternegotiations with zelensky through hints, tips, tricks, or even direct communications to him, saying that he wants the united states to take a harder line on certain...

What's the practical impact? >> practical impact is, he is now one step ahead of what every player in this game is doing. and he can actually, through his on intermediaries, through spies that he has in the ukraine, through his allies in the russian olli jar can i, they can actually now steer donald trump, or even through phone calls to donald trump that we know he gets from vladimir putin, they can steer him in the direction that russia wants him to go and can actually craft his counter negotiations with zelensky through hints, tips, tricks or even direct communications to him, saying that he...

It, that frog boiling experiment that is still kicking around youtube? >> you know, had they never said they were going to do this, had the president not previewed this, talking it up and saying that it was the only property in america that should be hosting this, i mean, this is -- the summer at the g-7 he was already floating this, and you saw the response. people thought, oh, he's kidding. the president's supporters were like, he's kidding. democrats and other critics saying, that would be a terrible thing if he did it. to float it, to have that reaction and then to go for it feels like bot...

Today not only to make the, yes, it was quid pro quo yes, we did it, what are you going to make of it article, which was bracing, but then to take it back, simultaneously announcing this self-dealing, which is something more blatant than we've seen from any president in u.s. history. >> i want to read you walter schaub, the former watchdog of this kind of thing on twitter tonight. in case it's not clear from my freaking out, this g7 thing is an escalation. it may look from the outside like it's been corruption all along, because it has been, but participating in a contract award to yourself is...