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Appeal is to not the people who used to enjoy the trump brand and he'll figure out a way to refurbish it. >> i don't want to end dark, but i'm going to have to. that is to say when you are on deadline white house with nicole wallace at 4:00 in the afternoon, you are often one of the voices that reminds the table and the viewers beyond exactly how bad things are in your view and exactly how dark we've gotten. but like the frog boiling experiment, it hasn't felt like that. it would feel like that if we took a vacation on the moon and came back. so the question, how dark are things right now to y...

Afternoon, you are often one of the voices that reminds the table and the viewers beyond exactly how bad things are in your view and exactly how dark we've gotten. but like the frog boiling experiment, it hasn't felt like that. it would feel like that if we took a vacation on the moon and came back. so the question, how dark are things right now to you? >> very, very dark. and i want to say this with no exaggeration. if you look throughout history and you become a student of history and the worst of what humans have done throughout history, trump is using that play book in every way you possib...

Do have the right kind of government and the right structure, it's really sad to see our side enabling russia to make those arguments more compellingly in ways that will disadvantage our government and disadvantage our economy and our societies perhaps for years to come. >> the one scientific experiment in american history that we reference more than any other on this broadcast is the famous frog-boiling experiment. >> yeah. >> the slow death of our friend the frog. it's my contention that we have yet to grasp the impact of the headline friday night in your newspaper that an american president...

And, you know, for those of us who think that we fundamentally do have the right kind of government and the right structure, it's really sad to see our side enabling russia to make those arguments more compellingly in ways that will disadvantage our government and disadvantage our economy and our societies perhaps for years to come. >> the one scientific experiment in american history that we reference more than any other on this broadcast is the famous frog-boiling experiment. >> yeah. >> the slow death of our friend the frog. it's my contention that we have yet to grasp the impact of the hea...

Or is it, as it is for so many people, the kind of slow-moving, frog-boiling experiment, of rolling moments every day? >> well, when i talk to people inside the government, inside the intelligence community, inside the defense department, i sense a huge frustration. because their job, in many respects, is to support a policy process, and there is no policy process. there are no deputies meetings, principals meetings. there's no regular order in the way policy is made. i think the woodward book explains this. the anonymous author explains this, as well. the president makes up policies and fires...