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Used in other applications, but it's never been used for a nuclear disaster like this one, it's never been uses to contain this much radio activity. and it's never been used for a periods of time that may require decades before the site is cleaned up. i think it is actually a very risky plan and a lot more complicated than just digging trenches and packing them full with clay. >> on that point, what's the better idea? are there solutions that are either more proven or more sustainable that the government and tepco haven't tried that you think might make sense. >> well, as they say in so many o...

Nuclear disaster like this one, it's never been uses to contain this much radio activity. and it's never been used for a periods of time that may require decades before the site is cleaned up. i think it is actually a very risky plan and a lot more complicated than just digging trenches and packing them full with clay. >> on that point, what's the better idea? are there solutions that are either more proven or more sustainable that the government and tepco haven't tried that you think might make sense. >> well, as they say in so many other contexts. there are no good options. and the frozen wo...

>> the ice wall isn't as crazy as it sounds. it isn't technology that's been used in other applications, but it's never been used for a nuclear zaftser like this one, it's never been uses to contain this much radio activity. and it's never been used for a periods of time that may require decades before the site is cleaned up. i think it is actually a very risky plan and a lot more complicated than just digging trenches and packing them full with clay. >> on that point, what's the better idea? are there solutions that are either more proven or more sustainable that the government and tepco have...