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I don't think it says moving into the future. substantively, well, the jury is still a little out there. he seems uncertain on immigration, which is a low-hanging fruit issue, frankly, for the republicans. let's see how he does on income inequality or marriage equality and things like that. >> michael, on this issue of immigration and his position, in recent interviews jeb bush seems to walk back a bit his recent opposition to granting a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. take a look at what he told chuck todd on that issue. >> -- because in november, i think prior to the election we ...

Substance? as a marketing ploy, i think bush 3.0 is a mistake. i don't think it says moving into the future. substantively, well, the jury is still a little out there. he seems uncertain on immigration, which is a low-hanging fruit issue, frankly, for the republicans. let's see how he does on income inequality or marriage equality and things like that. >> michael, on this issue of immigration and his position, in recent interviews jeb bush seems to walk back a bit his recent opposition to granting a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. take a look at what he told chuck todd on that issu...

I think what he has no mind are who he may be the -- the opponents he may be running against in the primary in 2016 foremost among them perhaps marco rubio, a fellow floridian and somebody who has come out with his own path to citizenship immigration plan. he's trying to kind of play off of marco rubio to a certain extent. the larger problem for him, of course, is the larger problem for the republican party. there's an argument there whether their issue is really marketing or substance. so ask yourself, does jeb bush help them with marketing or with substance? as a marketing ploy, i think bush...