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Yourself in. what did you mean by that? >> well, as i also -- first, thank you for having me. but as i also said in the statement, i've been trying to prove myself in predominantly-white and historically white institutions really my entire life. i started being bussed into white schools as part of a voluntary desegregation order in the second grade and i've spent my life since then really trying to prove that i was good enough being in spaces that didn't value necessarily my perspective, my background, the type of work that i wanted to do and here i was at my alma mater, you know, having risen...

What do you make of trump and the white house's reluctance and refusal to appoint here? what do you think that stems from? >> yeah, i think, steve, it was an act of frustration on her part, certainly, because she fully expected that she should be at least acting, if not considered for the top job, although usually those people are a little bit more high profile and a little bit more political. so it was a slap, a slap in her face. so she was essentially telling the president i don't like this, but because you are passing me over as acting, i can't stay on any longer, and, you know, effectively...

Effectively she would be demoted eventually. and so unfortunately, what that tells the rest of the intelligence community is that the president doesn't respect a serious professional like her. i've met her before. i've heard her speak. i know that she is very well respected, deeply and also widely across the intelligence community. and so here the president is telling someone like that i don't value who you are and what you stand for. that's disturbing to the community writ large because they're a lot like her. >> so, chuck, pick up that point because, yes, the president is entitled to have wh...

And you look at what's happening today and you wonder, how much of your history has been lost because of our inadequacy here in teaching our own history to our children, how much of history is lost clearly among members of the united states senate who have no seemingly no frame of reference to what this country stands for, has stood for through generations and now here we are today and as david pointed out, perhaps with the president of the united states who has one foot out the door on leaving nato. >> yeah. if you don't know how we got here, it's very hard to understand what you value and wh...

Game or have already bought their tickets out of washington? second question, is he right? where is the republican party residing these days? >> taking your second question first, i think he's dead right that it is the trump party rather than the republican party. i the republican party. think of how trump won the election? he went against all the candidates claiming they are politicians and politicians can't run the country and what you need is somebody outside the country and outside the sense. that's what happened to our party when they lost control who they could choose as their candidates...