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John, i think pressing the chinese on this makes the point of how serious the u.s. is, that all trade with north korea has to stop under these conditions. i agree with you, the chinese have never shown a willingness to do something that could lead to the collapse of the regime, and this would be one of those. on the fuel side, inside north korea, it raises a big issue, because of course the united states has been trying to set some standards so that nobody ever uses cyber or other means to try to turn off energy supplies here, so doing it inside north korea would be extremely difficult, i agre...

Sources and improving our own energy efficiency to save money, i think those are legitimate ways. >> greta: so i suppose if that green energy comes to mind but there are problems we've had with green energy in this administration. it's sort of i think... >> yes. there have been some. it hasn't been as bad if you look at totality as if you take one that failed but the fuel side is slightly different. i hi on fuel side discoveries of natural gas and possibilities that open truck fleets in those areas and to try to improve refining capacity. those are kind of the only things you can do in short t...

Sources and improving our own energy efficiency to save money, i think those are legitimate ways. >> greta: so i suppose if that green energy comes to mind but there are problems we've had with green energy in this administration. it's sort of i think... >> yes. there have been some. it hasn't been as bad if you look at totality as if you take one that failed but the fuel side is slightly different. i hi on fuel side discoveries of natural gas and possibilities that open truck fleets in those areas and to try to improve refining capacity. those are kind of the only things you can do in short t...