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To four years in state prison. i don't know what he scores on new york law he's more likely to face prison time based on the federal charges which i think are forthcoming in mar-a-lago documents and january 6th. 4 out of 4 this is not a weak case, as far as the time line it's in trump's benefit to push this out as far as possible. the next hearing he'll appear at is in december this is going to taint the pool of goodwill of voters i think by that point by december, a month from now, a lot of this is going to be washed away. i think fulton is going to come next, followed by jack smith and merri...

Three of those could be imminent, it's not just the two that we talked about, but it's the third one as well in fulton county. indictments can come any day if the da from fulton says that it's imminent, that the charges are imminent there. it's very remarkable when you think about, and you're absolutely right, when you're going to appear with that on a fraud theory, you're pretty much at the end game. judges don't like to do, that ever, in any circumstances, and so when you have the chief judge at the time, agreeing that they appeal the court, they agree with her, then it seemed like the evide...

Special counsel jack smith is pointed to run this. it's now march, months later, but as laura points out, we are talking about the presidents lawyer being subpoenaed, going forward, providing that evidence, what is your estimation about what else we might expect in terms of witnesses that can be called, in terms of the work that remains on this case, which to the layman seems pretty exhaustive at this point. >> to put it in a broader perspective, it's happening in manhattan, you have the documents case, and then you have fulton county which is currently be invite investigated to turn the elect...

Nowhere. and muddy the water. he wants to have a very clea case, i've watched cases particularly when i wrote abou great lane theories, ago in th l.a. times or the failure of police t interview every witness, at car crash, or a little boy was killed, resulted in acquittal. because witnesses came forward with - da wasn't prepared for >>, so pointed out tha costello also represents rud giuliani in the fall and count investigation, and he's also representing steve bannon, how do you see costello' involvement in trump's legal troubles impacting this case i new york >> i think going back to wha gle...

Are you going to define th case you plan to bring there's a lot of things yo could file charges of. but you want to have something that's rock-solid. i think that's why you've seen jack smith, the federa prosecutor, interview, apparently, every single employee and guest a mar-a-lago who had access to donald's rooms, where they found the classified documents so, alvin bragg's is doing the same thing he's making sure that th defense witness was -- doesn't come out of nowhere an muddy the waters you want to have a very clea case and i've watched cases particularly when i wrote abou a great length...