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Defunding obama care? >> listen, i've -- i support defunding obama care, but we've already given that up in our third pitch to the united states senate. we're saying, let's treat individuals -- >> no, but here's the thing -- >> -- the same way we treat corporations and labor unions. >> but here's what it looks like right now. this is how i understand the shutdown. the republicans are shutting down the government because the president and harry reid won't let them un-shut down certain parts of the government. >> that's not the case at all. >> but that's all you're talking about -- no one's talk...

Is going to be a puff piece, an infomercial for clinton 2016. although there are some people on the clinton side who remember the path to 9/11 mini series in 2006 which was not particularly flattering to bill clinton. and a lot of people thought that was anti-clinton. so it's a lose/lose situation editorially. but it could be a win/win for the ratings. that's what nbc is banking on, of course. >> you'll have more on the mini series. also not just one, but two really good guests. >> senator ted cruz of texas, rising star in the republican party in the middle of a lot of fights right now between...