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>> it's just not responsible. it's reckless and irresponsible to say we'll bring that down if we don't get our way. congress needs to do its job and then negotiate. the president wants to negotiate. >> bottom line, is the president red edie to watch the country go into default rather than negotiate with republicans? >> the president believes responsible members of congress know the consequences and that it doesn't need to happen. they have a majority to do the right thing. >> will he not come to the table at all, even at the risk of default? >> i know the leaders of congress -- republicans and...

Peter king and -- >> yeah . we'll get 30 votes. >> you call yourself a right wing nut. when murp the house, i don't think that's the case. >> i still am. but that's the thing. you can be a right wing nut and still work with left wing nuts like you. >> enough charm, joe. >> that's my charm offensive for the day. >> there we are. the two nut cases duking it out. >> how important is it though -- and chris matthews talks about it in the book. i really was on economic issues and a lot of issues very, very conservative. but i still talked to you, you still talked to me. how important is it to talk t...

>> bam! >> the thing that was tough for us, we are used to being the guy, being the man. give me the ball in this situation. we have people playing for their livelihood. a young lady gets to play for the lpga classic. a guy gets to go to the fed ex st. jude classic. if we make a bad shot they don't get to go. it's pressure on us. >> also we are playing for charity. my charity was the march of dimes. i wanted to win this competition. going against tim brown, chris doleman, al del gre co, some of the other guys. mark bulger. >> is there a competition you don't want to win? >> this guy here is th...

Run for president every single thing john roberts dozen will be attached to you. he was running for president the second he got into the senate. he thinks americans are dumber than we are, too. >> there was an interesting piece about tom graves who you had on the show last week. he was criticized -- praised by those in his district for standing as firm as he has on this issue. as we talk about the process and this question has been raised on the show about the way election s are conducted today, you have primary voters that really are dictating the politics happening in washington. i was shock...

To do this. i think there is speculation about whether he would lose his speakership. i don't think it is a guarantee he would lose his speakership. i don't know if he's come to that place in his mind yet. >> it's not a guarantee if he continues acting this way that he'll get re-elected as speaker. that's the fun question thing. people that hold on this tight and are this fearful of the people they run usually lose in the end anyway. >> you talk about an adult in the room. there is one. his name is john boehner. he's the speaker of the house. he could do the it today. i don't know that the ris...