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Still think the most likely ideology of this pathogen in wuhan was from a laboratory and escaped. it is not unusual for respiratory pathogens to infect a laboratory worker. >> harris: an interview with "vanity fair." he said there i was threatened and ostracized because i proposed another hypothesis. i didn't expect it from science. your reaction. >> the scientists were the ones funding the gain of function research. there is a cult of gain of function research where they think -- they are doing it from good motives. they think the best way to stop pandemics is get ahead of them by creating th...

>> absolutely. the nih realized gain of function was dangerous, had it for 3 years and right before donald trump becomes president they allow it again, start grant exemptions all approved by doctor fauci, the committee is secret, they won't let you know everybody on the committee but you know doctor fauci knows who is on the committee and reviews this stuff but they also allow some of the research in wuhan not to go before the committee and when they were asked why was this not reviewed by this committee on safety they said it wasn't gain of function research so they basically defined it out o...

>> reporter: 150 of them, i think, who said don't make diseases worse. so the obama administration said, we will look at that and they paused the funding, a function research, accept some of it was grandfathered in, unfortunately, and it was resumed in the trump administration by the nih. and went forward, and now being funded again, so a lot of people said, that's a bad idea, the mechanisms have not been done, and i think that some people thought, in their secret resources of their mind, was this experiment something that led to a crazy disease. we can do crazy things? no, we can't.

Fda official about viral labs all over the world. his comments come as top health officials and lawmakers push to dig deeper into the possibility that covid was accidentally leapt comic leaked wuhan, china. doctor, great to see you. let's talk about the comments. he says that the accident leaks like the one in wuhan happen all the time he even here in the u.s. have we just been really lucky up until now? >> here in the united states, we do have very strict, rigid protocols and safety guidelines. human error is inevitable. it is mother nature against -- virus against humanity. it is adherence t...

It worse, making it more likely to infect human beings through a respiratory route. so a phrase grew up past eight to ten years, gain a function research. gain of function they're talking about specifically is enhance the transmissibility and pathogenicity through breathing apparatus. is it a good idea to do that not because you want to kill people but because you want to prove that a certain virus could with a few mutations infect human beings? it was preventive medicine but preventive medicine that was taking this enormous risk, at least that's what these scientists said. and there were 150 ...