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One senior white house official characterized -- even with all this fanfare over the climate deal, we still don't know -- i don't know if it's relevant what trump believes -- if he believ in climate change or not. whher he believes it's real or not. well, today his epa administrator, the guy you think would know, said he's never discussed the issue with the president. believe it or not, here it is. >> you're the epa administrator. shouldn't you be able to tell the american people whether or not the president still believes that climate change is a hoax. where does he stand? >> there's enough t...

>> well, the issue is the technology is not going to come as some sort of abstract environment. coal companies and all those who rely on coal have to know there's a future for coal. otherwise the technology is not going to come there. and when there's not just the recent rules but layer upon layer of rules and regulars that seem to just target coal, the future doesn't look as bright. and so it's not that we're saying there shouldn't be rules and regulations, but there should be a balance there that will provide environment for innovation and technology can thrive, where people are going to inv...