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He's analytical here. he's not necessarily being idea logically driven but by the facts. if they take him to the left, fine, if they take him to the right, fine, as well. >> the obama campaign had to define romney. was he going to be a right winger or a flip-flopper without any convictions.early on in the campaign, they were posing him as a flip-flopper. now they've settled on a right winger. that may change as time goes on. whether the american people will be convinced that have is unclear. they're going to do the obama campaign is going to do everything they can, conference calls like that, ...

The united states, it needs to be more substantive. >> was hope more substantive. >> he wasn't the president then. that was a little bit different. it did capture the times that senator obama was running in. i don't know. >> erin mcpike, you said you liked. i put you on the spot. >> it does need to be simplistic so people can tell their neighbor what it is. the backward part of it that mitt romney is just like the bush administration just like republicans in 2008, it's an indictment against that. and forward is the opposite. >> so it connotes the backwardness of bush 43 while at the same time ...