it was destroying it. but before i hit rock bottom, i opened a record store to sell white power music. are you sick and tired of that alternative grunge crap? well, that s why i m here at the supplier of the underground chaos records. to make ends meet, i had to offer other music genres. and that meant talking with customers who were black, jewish, and gay. i began to realize i had more in common with these strangers than the skinheads i d surrounded myself with. and that changed the course of my life. what happened to me was a form of immersion, and it s now a critical tool in my work. i push people to have an open dialogue with the enemy, the people they think they hate. jews will not replace us! gabe is just like i used to be. living in a white power echo chamber.
you were making this progress, and all of a sudden you re like, oh, i m going to go to this rally that ended up being this tragic event? i still hadn t fully separated myself, i guess, from the ideology. there s still a lot of things that i struggle with as far as like my mindset. i m still in that nationalist mindset way of thinking. for most of his young life, gabe has had this identity as a neo-nazi skinhead. it s hard to leave what he left. sometimes if things go bad, it s easier to go back. and the last thing i want him to do is go back. ender bender. (clown 1) sorry about that. (clown 2) apologies. (clown 1) .didn t mean it. (clown 3) whoops. (stilts) sorry! (clowns) we re sorry!
disengage. they re preparing for the race war what is he said. and there are so many more people who need help. i get calls and emails from parents all the time saying that they re worried about their son or their daughter. that they might be violent. i used to keep up with my photo albums really well. and that s gabe? yeah. yeah. okay. laurie brown contacted me a year ago, terrified she was losing her 21-year-old son, gabe, to the same skinhead crew i helped lead. the hammer skins. when gabe got those tattoos, i just thought his life was over. nothing good is ever going to come out of this. i remember when you called me. yeah. and you were devastated by it. it s your baby. yeah. yeah.
cold enough for you? yeah. pretty chilly out there. yeah, a little bit. gabe, what are you feeling right now? to be honest with you, a bit awkward. yeah. so do i. just because we both know that you were here this summer. gabe, what s it like being here now? what s the feeling of being back in charlottesville? just realizing the magnitude of what happened there. because that got like national attention. i wasn t even expecting that, to be honest with you. how did you feel when you heard that somebody had been killed? i really didn t know how to feel. no offense to you, at the time honestly i really didn t care. i understand. it was someone from the other side. i think that s part of the problem, there s this image of
that s not what this is [ bleep ] about. he was a [ bleep ] gang member who didn t even [ bleep ] his [ bleep ] gang. i don t think he s even white, okay? yeah, he doesn t look white. he looks like [ bleep ] sheikh mohammad. i don t give a damn if guys like cantwell insult me. but i am worried about the thousands of people who are infected by their poison every day. there will be a great deal of pain and suffering as we strive to take our rightful place as the rulers of the earth. people like gabe. i invoke ein reich, ein fuhrer. i ve been working with gabe for eight months and thought we were making progress. but it s clear he s still holding on to some demons. what kind of looks did you get when you wore that shirt out? not good ones.