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Conservative and to show the party that mr. bush is enough of a street fight tore survive the contest. is that also the goal here to show voters he is on one hand capable of rolling up his sleeves, capable but at the same time a man of substance and policy. >> it is interesting. because if you talk to people around jeb bush in florida, he had this theory of the case going back even before he ran that the party would come to him in theory as an establishment candidate who can be credible and win a general election, if let's say they nominated someone like a sarah palin. i think that the jeb bus...

Republicans go the wrong way there should be a third party and all this stuff. i think nothing would shock me in 2016 that she would do sort of a -- like i said, a gadfly type of run, not like a serious professional run but something to make a statement and maybe help the speaking fees. >> do you chuck, feel any responsibility as a leading voice in the mainstream media for continuing to egg her on. the more attention you all pay to her, the more -- >> are we talking about eliot spitzer or sarah palin? >> the whole kit and caboodle really. >> i agree. >> a really important immigration bill befo...