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Being relied on less by putin. he's not consulting them as much which is maybe why they're speaking out. but you do need to build a consensus among elites that this is going to destroy the country, to have some kind of intervention, which in the past has led leaders to be forced into exile or thrown out by a coup. >> if history is our guide, is that the most likely scenario for a strongman like putin to be removed, to be taken down? >> it is. i would caution that this, again, would take a very long time, it could potentially, because russia is most fully realized institutionalized thievery sin...

Spring when he saw gadhafi particularly killed in a drainpipe, killed and beaten. and i think he has been moving steadily since that time to align russian policy to take himself back to the days of empire and greater control. but it might be too late. and certainly his tactics are not working as he would have imagined simply based on the timetable of results. there is no way i can imagine he would have thought this was going to go past a week, let alone where at day 11 he hasn't secured any of the major cities, at least those in the north as well as odesa in the south. >> the longer those issu...

Engage in aggression against ukraine or anyone else. as you know, and as you heard us say repeatedly, we do not have a strategy of regime change in russia. >> any time you say or even as he did suggest that the policy was regime change, it's going to cause a huge problem. this administration has done everything they can to stop escalating. there's not a whole lot more you can do to escalate than to call for a regime change. >> in the mind of putin, someone who hawatched and rewatched, you know, old videos of gadhafi being taken and killed, this kind of thing, it will play on his mind. and it c...

Regime change towards russia. but i think what we all agree on is that president putin cannot be empowered to wage war. >> in the mind of putin, someone who has watched and rewatched old videos of gadhafi being taken and killed, this kind of thing, it will play on his mind and it could complicate matters going down the road. >> all of this as a new nbc news poll taken before biden's remarks yesterday shows seven in ten americans express low confidence in his ability to deal with the invasion. we're met with nbc's mike memoli at the white house, cal perry in lviv, and josh lederman joins us fro...

Be in power to wage war. >> in the mind of putin, someone watched, rewatched, you know, old videos of gadhafi being taken and killed, this kind of thing, it will play on his mind and could complicate matters going down the road. >> hmm. a new nbc news poll taken before biden's remark 71% express low confidence in biden's ability to deal with the invasion. joining us now from the war front nbc's cal perry from lviv resident josh letterman from warsaw with latest on refugees there and my colleague tracking the latest military action. welcome all. fir to cal in lviv. where is the fighting still...