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Of positions, of the deputy's positions and acting secretaries, they just have not at all of the agencies defense and state in particular, gotten up to speed. and they're not really functioning to game plan all there. >> bruce, it's a pretty frightening picture that andrea paints. i wonder if i could get you to weigh in all of the talk now privately and publicly is on how to motivate the north korean leader to give up his nuclear arsenal if the last two men to do so ended up dead, saddam hussein and gadhafi in libya. how do you motivate someone to give up their arsenal if the two examples of p...

At all of the agencies defense and state in particular, gotten up to speed. and they're not really functioning to game plan all there. >> bruce, it's a pretty frightening picture that andrea paints. i wonder if i could get you to weigh in all of the talk now privately and publicly is on how to motivate the north korean leader to give up his nuclear arsenal if the last two men to do so ended up dead, saddam hussein and gadhafi in libya. how do you motivate someone to give up their arsenal if the two examples of people who did so ended up dead? >> in my meetings with north korean officials last ...

Intercontinental ballistic missile, but what exactly are the options available to the trump administration and u.s. allies? >> joining us to discuss retired rear admiral john kirby, former pentagon spokesman, sumi terry, former cia north korea analyst and former white house official, and josh rogan, cnn political analyst and "washington post" columnist. very nice to have you all here. sue, let me begin with you. you met with those from the north korean government and the regime in sweden. the message you say from them was look at libya. look at what happened to gadhafi when he let go of his nu...

How did their weak response to russia in their meddling, how did it set back our ability? >> i think that's extraordinarily unfortunate that president obama had it not bad. frankly, it is part of his behavior. he has always been my judgment observed a president for a number of years. i've never seen a president so paralyzed by fear of adverse consequences. being a president requires some kind of metal. you've got to stand up, have some mental toughness comes the moral courage to overcome their fear. look at the checklist. russia indexes crimea. it moves into ukraine. they ask for help. we refu...

Difference. chemical red line, no action, not helping the libyans when they post gadhafi, when they needed assistance, those same radicals burned our consulate and killed embassador and great americans and forced the evacuation of embassy, julian, there's a clear pattern and what is that pattern? the simply this, this president more than anyone that i've observed in my lifetime when he's confronted with this kind of a challenge, he is paralyzed by his fear of adverse consequence. he gives into that fear and the reality is is that presidents at times have to be one tough minded and two, they ha...