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Of us -- you know that that's been the u.s. goal now for at least 20 years to get them to end the -- were to do this and kim jong-un eliminated his weapons program and he has a number of bombs already, developing the intercontinental ballistic missiles with potentially nuclear warheads, if he didn't have that threat. he'd be gone and would wind up like gadhafi who ended his nuclear program and we all know what happened to him in libya. that's the argument they make. they won't give up their nuclear program realistically, are they? >> it's difficult to say which is why our tough talk has to be ...

>> i do. if there was a phrase, it would be engage north korea but push them, push them, push them. threaten military engagement, try to seek a rough alliance with china to push them from across the border. >> well, are you seeing symbols for it to be working. some people say, on the anniversary when you would expect the nuclear test and there wasn't one, it showed the influence of president xi. >> it could be working with china, but i'll bet you it's not working with north korea. we overemphasize the influence china has on the nutcase in korea. he's going to chart his own path he's going to p...

Million people. they can deliver with those 13,000 tubes, they can deliver maybe 500,000 artillery shells on seoul. they have thousands of tuns on of --tons of chemical weapons. they would lose the war but devastate seoul. we just don't have a realistic military option. one of the problems with washington even talking about it is it puts north korea on a greater hair trigger of alert, which increases the risk something goes on. >> there's kim jong-un there. he has said -- i think that they said it was reckless acts of aggression, military hysteria. what do you think he's thinking? they're beam...

Saddam hussein after the invasion and then tony blair afterwards repented afterwards publicly that all of this was a fake and you all know about that more than we do. and then there was gadhafi. it was to create this dictator had no place in his country and this was second to democracy. we know what happened in libya. the libyan government is now under a huge question mark. we spoke about this, or president putin did speak about it yesterday with the italian president and we are both trying to stop the situation of the

Mubarak in egypt, with the guy whose name i forgot in tunisia. barack obama, very naively, beginning in 2009, you arabs deserve to be one man, one vote, all the rest of us, so he got the muslim brotherhood after he threw mubarak out. gadhafi was killed, and -- >> sandra: in the wake of this strike? syria, you heard john kerry speak out in support of what president trump did. >> meghan: i was surprised to hear that, because i would debate that john kerry was 100% complicit in the atrocities that happened in syria. president trump, 100% accurate. he wouldn't be in the position globally that we a...