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Some say he shouldn't be in that mode on the day of the debate. that's the republicans' increase lig full-floated argument why the president should be replaced as the economy's gotten better it's harder for them to make a straight economic argument and simpson is giving voice to what you hear a lot not just the romney campaign, it's about leadership overseas, leadership at home and alan simpson says -- said in his colorful manner. >> pithy way. >> maggie you've been writing for politico on five things to watch tonight. what are you watching for tonight? >> the main thing i'm watching for is ho...

Republican-leaning independents. a lot of those shift internally in the polls was -- sort of right-leaning independents moving into romney. i don't think those folks would be moving into romney now just naturally. i mean, i think that they needed a reason to get there. so actually, no. i think the debate did push him there. by the way, one quick point on the vp debate, the ryan folks are a little nervous that expectations are not in their favor, meaning there's this expectation that ryan's going to -- that biden's a gaffe machine, ryan's going to beat him in the debate, that same pew poll and ...

In addition to his uncontrolled ver bossity, pie deny is a gaffe machine. can you reassure voters in this country that you would have the discipline you would need on the world stage, senator? >> yes. tonight it is the prime time showdown between joe biden and paul ryan. and while this will be their first and only debate, the two have tangled before during a white house health care summit in 2010. >> i'm always reluctant after being here 37 years to tell people what the american people think. i think it requires a little bit of humility. >> i respectfully disagree with the vice president. we...

Theory and doesn't always bring it home. he's good with the white board. you have two different approaches here. and, you know, ryan making a connection the way that biden does, i think is a challenge for him. >> but the expectation -- i will say cnn poll last week asked voters who's going to win the presidential debate 55% say ryan, 39% say biden. is that because they think ryan is going to go less wonk or biden more gaffe? >> the broad perception, biden underrated. showing him without his shirt on washing his transam in the white house driveway. he is a gaffe machine, a guy easy to make fun ...

She did pretty -- at any rate put that experience against paul ryan who looks so much younger and comes across as more of a fee owe fight whether -- neophyte whether that's fair or not in terms on the political stage. >> i want biden to lead into strings as a gaffe machine. if he makes a big enough gaffe it will distract us from the obama bad debate. >> so you're saying -- >> i would like to picture biden greased up wrestling pigs for the debate. want to picture him going all out. >> you need him to lower the bar for -- >> nobody gaffes like him and recovers from gaffes like him. >> he said un...