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Hillary clinton through information warfare and cyberwarfare. he's encouraging that. and he's also sending a message to other candidates that they, too, could follow his bad example and accept this kind of information from foreign governme governments. so on multiple levels what he did was so dangerous. >> you do recognize, let's be clear here, this is not oppo. this is not information. this is what we call espionage. that is a foreign government, and this goes back to world war ii before and after a foreign government acquires information on a political leader, sometimes to gain influence. we...

Wiley former counsel to the mayor of new york and karen leifler. thank you both for being here. maya, this is one of those things where corporations feel and determine they must admit wrongdoing. that is how bad this is. there was no three days of maybe we have every right to do this. there was immediately at&t we messed up, this was wrong, this was a misjudgment. yet thinking people, and we know many smart people are among our viewers, obviously know this is only because avenatti outed them. >> exactly. this is business as usual. there is actually nothing illegal about influence peddling, mea...

Why are they in the cross hairs right now with him? >> there seems to be a democratic plan to target somebody every few years. go back four years to the 2010 elections. democrats were in trouble back then, too. they talked about the chamber of commerce and said it was the foreign funded chamber of commerce. you google it. go back to october of 2010 and they talked about it all the time. so the new villain are the koch brothers and i think you're going to hear that from now all the way through november. >> how about this, if they're looking for a suggestion, what about examining george soros. g...

The radical islamists have taken advantage of the arab spring. they're not the catalyst for the change sweeping through the the middle east, but they've seized it as an opportunity to gain control, gain influence, gain territory. and that is spreading in the middle east and we have been disengaged. frankly, i hope this is an indicator that we're going to get back involved and back in the game. go after these folks the way we need to and partner with our allies in the region, help train them, help advise them, help give them the resources, share intelligence and so to speak, be all in in dealin...

Former prosecutor karen leffler. maya, this is one of those things where corporations feel and determine they must admit wrong doing. that is how bad this is. there was no three days of maybe we have every right to do this. it was immediately at&t we messed up, this was wrong, this was a misjudgment and yet thinking people and we know many smart people are among our viewers obviously know that this is only because avenatti outed them. >> exactly. this is business as usual. there's actually nothing illegal about influence peddling, meaning we will give you money if you help us gain influence an...