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And resigned to the fact they are going to do that. but i any he likes saying those things. he knows the base doesn't like these investigations. just by tweaking them every once in a while, he sends them that galvanizing message. one of the main reasons that's always overlooked by the pundits, the reason he shut the government down and aloud it to stay closed. to get those 30% to return to the polls in 2020 with the same participation level. howie: it seems like you just across knowledged that he shut the government down for 35 days so he could energ -- so he coule his base? is that way just h...

Anthony: i think he's resolved and resigned to the fact they are going to do that. but i any he likes saying those things. he knows the base doesn't like these investigations. just by tweaking them every once in a while, he sends them that galvanizing message. one of the main reasons that's always overlooked by the pundits, the reason he shut the government down and aloud it to stay closed. to get those 30% to return to the polls in 2020 with the same participation level. howie: it seems like you just across knowledged that he shut the government down for 35 days so he could energ -- so he cou...

Really into this game. just to button this up a little bit, i do agree there's a pool of people who don't associate themselves with political party prp but i just happen to think that they also don't flock to a mutt million whose sold agenda is to tell them we can't afford this that's not the galvanizing message for that become when it's a year from now and sudden litz mike pence against kamala harris or elizabeth warren and suddenly it seems to fit a little bit better in the middle. and when bill clinton decided to jump in in 1991, you were there. everybody thought he was crazy he was running...

Galvanizing message or issue at this point going into the upcoming election? >> democrats clearly have a galvanizing issue in president trump and opposition to him. we have seen democratic enthusiasm play itself out in many of these primaries, in special elections in the last year and a half in the trump era, in the polling. so that enthusiasm advantage clearly exists for democrats as it does for the opposition party of the president's party, in opposition to the president's party in the first mid term election season. this will help democrats no doubt energize them and fight over the supreme ...

About -- it didn't work in the campaign to just be anti-trump. it's not going to work in the opposition, either. >> doris put her finger on it. i remember two weeks after barack obama had been na inaugerated, and i'm like, what do i do next? the base is all over the place. you have to figure out where you came from. we came from the desert '06, '08. the messaging is critical. those who are running for chairmanship of the party don't have a galvanizing message. they don't have a way to animate the base. the base is going one direction, then those other democrats kind of watching this whole epis...