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Tickets. >> mike: what do you mean? >> football tickets is a gambling ticket. you pick four teams. if you win you put a dollar down and you get $10. if you pick three, you get $5. on and on. that was my introduction. i used to go with my dad and bars in the bronx. my dad was a construction worker and he built the world trade center. one of the head guys on the world trade center. he's sick now. i did that. i got the fast life, the easy money life. that's what really was downturn i think when you look back. >> mike: and then you started doing the games but then you how did you graduate to somet...

The bronx. >> when you say doing football tickets. what do you mean. >> the gambling ticket. you pick four teams and if you win, you put a dollar down and you get $10 if you pick three, five. it goes on and on a, but that was like my introduction and i used to go to certain bars in the bronx and my dad was a construction worker and he actually built the world trade center and he was one of the head guys on the world trade center and used to take me out and i got that life in me. you know, that fast life, that he easy money life and that's what really was the down turn when you look back. >> an...

>> i started doing football tickets. >> mike: what do you mean? >> football tickets is a gambling ticket. you pick four teams. if you win you put a dollar down and you get $10. if you pick three, you get $5. on and on. that was my introduction. i used to go with my dad and bars in the bronx. my dad was a construction worker and he built the world trade center. one of the head guys on the world trade center. he's sick now. i did that. i got the fast life, the easy money life. that's what really was downturn i think when you look back. >> mike: and then you started doing the games but then you h...