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Trying to keep this a low-profile thing while also working behind the scenes to use this to get voting rights done? >> look, i think -- i don't know what game folks are playing and i think it's dangerous to get too much into chess. we're playing checkers. we want them to represent us, to pass this change, we want them to pass voting rights reform. so we have tools at our disposal. this isn't just us watching from the sidelines hoping that joe manchin comes to the right decision or that any other democrat does. we can push them. 60, 70 years democrats have been meeting every tuesday for a lunch...

That's the argument we ought to be making right now. >> ezra, i'm struck by the fact that the media by and large has ignored this, even as they have done a lot of reporting on the filibuster and the seeming sort of stalemate over the filibuster all year long. i'm also struck by the fact that democrats have been -- democratic senators have been very quiet about this. i wonder if you see that as them sort of avoiding the strategic implications of this, or are they playing chess where they're trying to keep this as a low-profile thing while also working behind the scenes to use this to get voting...