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Think about it. the numbers matter in games. you might say a game makes no sense without them. who's the best quarterback? the guy with the best offense. numbers, numbers, numbers. the nfl rules say football must be pumped up to 12.5 pounds, not 10.5. say it doesn't matter, then why the rule? say it doesn't matter, you try. you get a grip on the regular pressure and compare it with a ball at the lower pressure. the rule-breaking football is easier to grip, especially in freezing weather. that's a fact. we've proved it here. guy he used the rule-breaking softer football is breaking the rules. h...

They have done better? is this a better deal? is this like a wider strike zone for a pitcher? >> you can make that case. here's the thing. we know it provided -- >> do you buy the fact that it makes a significant -- >> yes, it makes a difference in a game especially bad weather, raining, cold weather, it makes a difference. >> a softer football is easier to throw? >> easier to throw, easier to catch, easier not to fumble. >> and let me go with steven on that, every time you play football on a cold day, and it's really inflated, it hurts to catch it sometimes. it's a hard thing to catch. your t...

Michael steele who should be leader of the republican party. we continue, by way, to wait for tom brady. let me finish tonight with this. games are played by rules. without rules, no game makes sense. think about it. the numbers matter many games. you might say a game makes no sense without them. who's the best quarterback? the guy with the best offense. numbers, numbers numbers. the nfl rules say football must be pumped up to 12.5 pounds not 10.5. say it doesn't matter, then why the rule? say it doesn't matter, you try. you get a grip on the regular pressure and compare it with a ball at the ...

U.s. congresswoman shelia jackson lee and evan kohlmann. >> it doesn't represent america at all. >> the trouble is a lot of people like this fight. coming up deflategate. do you except the report that the patriots knowingly deflated footballs on their way to the super bowl the question is how should they get punished? should they get off with a fine or should tom brady be suspended? and later, we'll hear from brady himself in his first public appearance since the deflategate report came out. we'll bring you that live as it happens, him speaking for the first time. plus chris christie is up...

News from kornacki and tom brady. you know what winston churchill said, it was the best argument against democracy, a five-minute conversation with the average voter. i hate to be derogatory but that was useless stuff. absolutely useless. i want you to do something useful now. i have two balls, the regulation is 2.6, and the other is made by use for tom brady. tell them apart. you first, michael. >> oh, this one's -- which one's regulation? >> this one i think is regulation. >> yes, you're right. one. >> i'm not looking. >> this is live television, ladies and gentlemen. >> okay go ahead. tell ...