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I needed. are they perfect? no, are they antiquated, absolutely. should you throw some of the business people into people who know nothing about business? absolutely not. >> all right. christian, is consolidating a good thing? >> of course it's a good thing. come on, not having services duplicated across many agencies, i don't know how in the world you can criticize this and certainly, if you're going to find any fault with the way that government works, you need to also include gary, the congress, which is the ones who are preventing president obama from actually performing his executive func...

Really hope that it succeeds or to recognize that even if it's not everything we want now, it's going to set the stage for future electric vehicles that are. >> gary b? >> i'm just laughing about the newton. the newton was the precursor to the iphone and the ipad, huh? in any event, i guess the ed sell was the precursor to the volt, just as big a flop. amelia pointed out the problems and chevy is struggling with this. they could have put a second shift on to meet demand and of course they didn't. the other thing, i'm surprised christian, you, a man of the middle america, the populous person, h...

Interested in creating jobs. >> brenda: let him talk. >> you need to do more. the reason that businesses are not hiring right now is less to do with their tax rates, but more to do with the lack of aggregate demand out there in the economy. and even if you increase profits by cutting taxes, you're still not creating a market for those goods and services. that's the real key issue. what's going on in europe right now has been priced in, and factored into the markets for the last six months. so, this is not a surprise. what we really need to do to increase employment at home is to improve employ...

People respond to that. first of all, gary k. >> well, first off you mention the auto workers toss the auto workers toss that point. it's the unions na basically destroyed gm with the costs and legacy costs out there. the big issue when these things become blobbish, a new word i made up, that's when trouble comes. i don't worry about these things on a smaller scale, but once they get into a larger scale, that's where destruction happens and mandates from unions to the business, i'd rather business controls. >> you have ten seconds, gary b to talk about blobhe bsh. >> i thought he was saying bl...

At the st're effort at the epa. >> no hk l no, no, a lot of companies hirse benefitted you look at wall street and other people, and reduced ope ruting cost by emb ruy. sustainability and things that were a nuisance became a-- rethinking enviro, maental rethesunations and a broader swath at that could be interesting in business if thblo engage in a coon cersatio. >> gary b? >> now, susan, i'm a little surprised, you worked in gover, maent. ou well know the only way to ensure the long-term longeviws, a little bit redunulant. >> of a government agency, but to grow your power base. >> that's not ...