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The world and we work hard, and we get phone calls and need to respond text-wise, this is what drives america and why we have more productivity. >> why is volkswagon doing so well compared to the u.s. policies? >> and black brings. >> and don't say it's because they have no unions, they've got a lot of that in germany. >> okay, all right. gary k. m khat do you think of this? >> i think if a company wants to do it, fine, but overall, look, if you notice esols wwagen, there's many the higher staff that are not part of this, they're going to have to answer the phone at 3 a.m. as they say. and i'm...

double dip. a you're not looking at the data and our data. >> are you looking at the data? >> we're not going into recession. you have to realize that because the central banks are lowering rates and china raised rates to get food and inflation under control and they did it, the next move is done. and the central bank of brazil, raised rates and slowed things down and they're cutting rates and finally the european union, that central bank has got to realize you can't have a single mandate and only worry about inflation when europe is in trouble. once they've cut rates, you watch what...

smith, tobin smith. democratic media consultant steve murphy, welcome to everybody. toby, will all of this selling trigger a new recession? >> well, yes, and we're already in a recession. people watch this show for many years and see the research, my company did on recessions and the numbers we have been tracking for the future sales, over the next 90 days, which our key indicator at rolling over, and which means that the gdp growth is recession, we're going to have a recession, it's not as deep, but it's a double dip. if you dent believe we're in a double dip. a you're not looking a...

back? >> absolutely not, brenda. in fact, the whole proposal is kind of goofy and think about it like this, most of these, the small businesses which we're talking about here, the job creators, pay taxes through the normal income tax and 90% of those will actually pay higher taxes. now, if you're a small business, what are you going to do with that higher cost? you're going to pass it off to your customers, as a result, demand for your product is going to go down. we've seen that and demand goes down, and companies aren't able to expand, hires lets workers and the whole thing is coun...

goes down, and companies aren't able to expand, hires lets workers and the whole thing is counter intuitive. >> brenda: sue san, do you think the name? >> no, the survey by the national fred ration of small businesses, tax is the not the number one concern of small businesses, it's weak sales. we need to get demand moving forward and broad based tax cut like this one, hit 130 million workers and that's for demand. >> and susan, here is the point. if -- i'm a small business guys, if i know that my profits are 10% less, i'm going to cut my overhead by 10% and since most of my overhead ...