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We're back talking about how american schools resegregated. joining me now nicole hannah jones, she covers civil rights and has been contributing to a special series, segregation now, and sheryl, law professor at georgetown university, author of the failures of integration. let me start with you, nicole. i thought the quote from gary orefield, the director of the civil rights project in setting up how it is 6 other years later we have schools as segregated as we are. he said the truth is we tried for a little while, we succeeded, and we gave up. is that about right? >> yes, that's right. when ...

Joining me now, nicole hannah jones, reporter for propublica. she's been contributing to propublica's special series "segregation now." sheryl cashin, law professor at georgetown university, author of "the failures of integration" and "place not race." let me start with you, nicole. i thought this quote from gary orefield, director of the civil rights project, to the "usa today" in setting up how it is 60 years later we have schools as segregated as they are was pretty succinct. he said "the truth is we tried for a litt while, we succeeded and we gave up." is that about right? >> yeah. that's ...