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They can't balance a checkbook. gary is right, you are going to spend three, four times the estimated budget. >> they know how to add. they keep adding. >> david, are you with jonas on this? >> i am with jonas. with regard to what was said by gary b., this is not the administration spending x amount of dollars. it's the person with their hands on the pursestring. that's congress. they are appropriating the money. better as jonas mentioned, better to have them working and paying taxes, which will offset the cost, as he mentioned earlier. >> the president put this through. >> this was in the bud...

Gary b. you say this is just the beginning? >> brenda, it's happened quicker than we forecast. we talked about this on the show just a few weeks ago. in fact, to a person on the panel, we said oh my gosh, this is going to be another government sinkhole where more and more money, if they estimate 50 billion, it will be 500 billion. you watch, this is going to grow to the size of the state departme department, the department of commerce, any other idiotic agency. we don't need it. in washington, the only way to achieve power, brenda, is to grow your agency. no agency head is ever come and said y...

Jobs a month. that compares to the bush administration where they were averaging 20,000 jobs a month. we want to keep things going and keep the course as it is to see this kind of growth, which is comparable to europe, japan, china and elsewhere is behind us. america is great, keep it that way. >> gary b., is keeping america great mean more government spending. >> god, i hope not, brenda. seems like the past few administrations, whether it's the obama administration or george bush administration, going back to fdr, every government solution is to take money from our pocket and spend it themsel...

Care? no. deliver a bottle of wine on a friday night? heck yeah. >> gary b., is this the push for the minimum wage backfiring? >> i think it is. basically, unions are small and sometimes large cartels. they keep the price high like opec tried to do. they are started to turn into a dinosaur. you can't just force mandate arbitrarily high wages. technology is always coming along. a comment about companies being obsessed with profit. thank god bill gates was obse obsessed with profit. these people built whole industries, whole, almost countries, if you will. what's that?

After. >> gary b., don't you want to know who the pr person is? how can they make us hate them more? >> i want to know jonas' relationship with the irs. his dad must have been an irs agent or something like that. i want to go back to the lunacy of this. john mentioned their budget is about $12 billion. by the way, they asked for $14 billion. this short fall is about $250 million. we are talking 2.5%. are you trying to say, in an eight-hour day, it boils down to saving everyone 12 minutes? you are trying to tell me at the irs, there's not one piece of inefficiency they could cut? you know what,...