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Ideally wages will grow faster, and that's the last piece of the puzzle, it should catch up and everything will be fine. >> but gary b., does that hold? i need gas in my car to go to work so i have no choice but to pay for it. >> i want to go back to the beginning. gary, he is in the conspiracy camp, like the government is lieuing. you know i am no fan of the government, and i think from the v.a. to social security and etc., etc., and i don't think the bureau statistics people that put together the numbers they have the black helicopter thing, like, oh, my, we are going to lie and get it to be...

Encryption. to me, this is, i completely agree with gary b., this is the greatest threat our country faces. nobody is going to invade us, but one thing they can do is come after us cyber warfare wise, and this is the biggest threat. >> we don't have one main power grid. we have a bunch of old antiquated ones. >> we keep hearing about our infrastructure, and you may want to look at our grids. it staggers the imagination, the possibility of somebody can knock us out. the financial system, you name it. it's all bad news. gary b. is right, the market will take a hit. let's hope that we have fail-s...

>> right. >> but not have others pay the price for their deviant actions. >> and gary b., here we go again with government regulations. i can hear you saying it. >> exactly. the government, from the government i'm here to help. i can already see there's going to be some senate hearing on this and they're going to come down with laws. this should be up to each of the airlines. on jonas's airline it's open bar. okay? that's the one he wants to fly, fantastic. >> with the 3-year-old. >> some of the others, you know, on tracy's it's wine only. every airline should determine their policy. if it's s...

Made this big point somehow that obama care, we look at these numbers, obama vs. bush, and it led to more job growth. again, i would love to see the details on that as the unemployment rate has gone up, not down, since obama took office. but, look, this is a -- >> unemployment has gone down, gary. >> the unemployment rate is now higher than when obama took office. >> i don't know what math or chart you're looking at, but i don't think that's the case. >> my point is this. this is a tax on business. let's just say they opt to pay the $2,000 per employee. that is like saying, going to each busin...

Jonas kind of encapsulized it when he said this is a complicated law, if you will. any additional complication is going to curb hiring. it has to. there is uncertainty. john, in the opening, stated some of the numbers that he saw. i think those are accurate. here's the thing. jonas said i don't think it is going to be a big impact on employment or hiring but here is what you have to remember. even a small impact. when you have a small u-6 unemployment rate of 13% or 14% it makes a huge difference. we are right now at kind of the break even before falling back into a recession or, god forbid, a...