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Effect on the economy or the market. it's bad for the country. certainly bad for the people that aren't getting checks. they'll get them but puts them in a hole during that time period. unless this is a two to three-month shut down, i don't see any effect it has on the market or the economy. >> neil: thanks, gentlemen. gary b., you're right to remember those days, the great old days where double digit returns in a safe investment were the norm. obviously stocks were not very appealing. thanks, guys. we're not saying that happens now but you have to wonder if a shutdown will happen later tonigh...

The economy and people's pocket books. dagen: lee the reason the republicans didn't do it is because they need to get to that 60 votes and that means getting democrats on board. >> [laughter] yeah i don't know how that's going to happen but i'm all for the tax cuts being permanent except i believe that we have to make sacrifices in order to make it happen. we can't just not make the cut backs. i know we're talking about gary b. is talking about putting the pressure on. we need to put pressure on and hard to see those be made and i think it will benefit the economy but not happen unless we make...

Top set of earners. if it's really about the middle and lower classes that's important even just on a messag ing basis and i think we should be able to get 60 votes when you consider that we have 10 senators democrat senators that are up for reelection in 2018 and red states so it's an important conversation to have and to play with that corporate rate a little bit to maybe make the individuals matter more. dagen: gary b., did jessica just get on board with making the individual tax cuts permanent is that what we just heard? >> it's funny dagen i was ready to go, jessica drives me crazy. but i...

How about we erent politicians to do the right thing for the right reason? i new it's an archaic idea but perhaps it would work for a change. dagen: gary b., yes or no on earmarks? >> well, yes i guess and here is why. dagen: good. >> we are the united states of america. we're not called the kingdom of america, where a king can rule, we have all of the states fighting with each other. you give me this i give you that that's the way it works, yes it's horrible but that's the way bills are passed because the states look out for themselves as it should be. dagen: jonas, my personal favorite earma...

They offering to try to improve these places that really need the jobs, there's a lot of cities out there that could benefit from having a big employer but are going by the way side otherwise so it's important it becomes something people know what it's all about and what's on the table. dagen: john do the taxpayers deserve to know what's been put out there? >> no, they don't and i respectfully disagree with lee and don't deserve to know what's been put out there. they deserve to know after its happened. this is a competitive bid now you have 230 different entities around the country bidding fo...