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Flat. one. reasons they've been flat, quote, unquote, because the benefits prices go up so much faster than inflation. so, the things that really matter. and actually, the price increases, worse or harder on a person because of the fact that wage is-- wages are a big part of measuring, quote, unquote, inflation, but everyday spending is actually up and in particular, we're getting killed. >> brenda: gary b? >> your take home cash and extra taxes, obviously, don't help, but, yes, when you have the discretionary spending, it's just not there, so there father, there is a-- >> and gary b. >> but, ...

Sounding, we're not that great. 1.8% print is not good. any way you look at it. >> what country looks better than us, including the stakt right now. >> i don't know, maybe chinese looks good right now. growing at 8%, hey, i would like-- >> the stock market tanked and huge inflation problems and some bureaucracy there. i don't think they're looking better than america right now. >> we're not having is right now. >> mike, what do you think of the growth? >> i can't think of any pop star lead in as compared to gary b. but, however, he's probably prepared for that for three days in advance, but li...